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At the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill. And I decided that that skill would be juggling. So, in the beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling balls. >> How the has none of us known this? [laughter] >> How did I never hear about juggling at work before? Is that what >> every day for the past 6 months, I've been juggling at the end of every day. And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good [laughter] at juggling these exact three items. >> Okay. >> Or items that are the same size and shape. So like three small oranges, I can juggle size things. >> Uh I will I'll demo it for you. [music] >> What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. Big week. It is the middle of July and sometimes we get random big weeks in the middle of July. I think this will be a banger. It might be kind of a long episode, but that's okay cuz there's a lot to talk about. I think we can all agree probably [music] the obvious biggest story of the week, which is >> cool emoji. They're beautiful. There's a pickle. >> I guess we I guess we don't all agree on the biggest story. So, we'll get to all that stuff. If you if you slow it down and listen to all those things, you probably uh you're in for a good for a good one. [laughter] And at the end, we have a recommendation game because that's also one of the things that we planned on doing this week before we knew it would be banger. Uh, but first, did they even test this? >> Does anyone have one? Cuz I have the most niche one possible. >> People always like >> thought I had one today, but I don't. >> Ones at me and they're always bad. >> Okay. Well, stop tweeting at David is what he's saying, I guess. >> Stop talking to me. [laughter] >> I don't want to talk to I'm kidding. >> Okay. My issue is with >> Keep tweeting at me. >> Gboard >> if you're nice. the keyboard and it's very specific to where a lot of times when I'm typing and I try and go comma space I accidentally hit emoji button sticker button and then when I go and type again what I'm expecting there's a bunch of sloth emojis or like sloth stickers sorry >> and for some reason I find once a day as I'm typing really fast without paying attention I'm opening up and just posting a sloth sticker in my messages um >> as God intended. >> Yeah, normally I notice it. One time I was emailing our HR person and said just wrote like, "Yeah, that sounds great." And then send a sticker of a sloth saying FML [laughter] above it. So >> I just want to know, does anyone else accidentally send a bunch of sloth stickers in when they're using Gboard? >> Accidentally? No. I intentionally use them all the time. >> Sloth stickers are awesome. Maybe [clears throat] I need to just bring them into my Yeah, it's this. It's just a sloth with a rained on cloud saying FML on it. >> They have the blobs as stickers, too. I would use those. >> Yeah, >> the blobs. >> I'm not a fan of the sloth ones. Sorry, >> but apparently I use them all the time. I will say there was like a this is slightly off tangent, but there was a Slack thread that I was going through from like a while back, like years ago, just cleaning out different old messages, and someone had used the blob, and I was like, damn, that blob was a good >> The blobs are amazing. >> The blobs are sick. >> The blobs are fantastic. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, they're all sloths. I >> all the sloths. You've never seen the sloths before? >> Yeah, never seen those before. >> I guess I just typed too fast and >> I don't know. I sloths. That's crazy. Well, these aren't quite sloths and they're not quite stickers, but I knew that we would talk about my story first. Just saying. Um, there are new emoji coming. Everybody, everybody clap. >> It's happening. >> So, what are these new emojis? >> All right. >> For our audio listeners, you're going to have to explain all of them. >> Yeah. Okay. So, so Jennifer Daniel, who is the chair of the emoji subcommittee of the Unicode Consortium. >> Holy title. However, I interviewed her for my sparkle emoji documentary and she's awesome. She has a Substack where she sometimes posts like early looks at emoji that they're working on, which is cool. And she just yesterday posted a new article about the nine new emoji that are coming shortly. >> Nine. >> So, we're getting monarch butterfly classic. >> There is currently a butterfly, but it's just like a blue butterfly. Um, monarchs are probably more, you know, common and popular in media. So, I think that makes sense. We're getting a bug catching net. Future classic. >> Why does it have to be bug catching? >> I mean, it doesn't have to be. >> It's just next to the butterfly, so it feels bug catching, but like Pokemon catch. >> I'm just Pokemon. Is that what they call it? A bug catching net in Pokemon. So, >> that's a bug catching net. What What are you going to catch in that net? Like a jellyfish? Come on. >> What about a big fish? >> Like a large fish? >> I mean, you would be swooping under this one is I think the reason it feels bug catching is cuz it's coming from up to down. >> Yeah. However, these are just Google's interpretations. It's like Apple. >> I know. I'm using that for like caught you. >> Yeah. Got you. [laughter] There's a meteor. >> Nice. I think that was pretty important. >> That's what this room's going to feel like soon. >> Yeah. There's the thumbs that basically imply get a load of this guy. >> The It's like who's got two thumbs and is on a podcast pointed inwards or out. >> One is the left thumb and one is the right thumb. >> Yeah. >> So, there's two. >> There's a face that is cracking um quite a bit. already my top 10 most used emojis of all time. >> I very much like this one because I've used the melting face a lot and then last year they introduced the um the buggey emoji as well. So they're doing a lot of like funny face emojis which are cool. >> There's a lighthouse which is dope. I was just in Maine. What? Wait, what? Why? [laughter] >> Just no. Keep going. Keep going. >> Okay. Uh, there's pickle, which is good because they did have cucumber, which was being like diced, but now it's legit pickle, which I think is important. >> No way. That gets misused. >> There's a bar of >> Wait, hold on. What is this? >> A pickle. >> No, the next one. >> Oh, a bar of soap. >> That's clearly not a bar. >> That's an eraser. >> That's an eraser. >> Really? >> That's very clearly an eraser. >> Oh, it's only Okay. It's only clearly an eraser because there's bits of eraser. only clearly an eraser because of the part of it that makes it an eraser. >> It's pink, >> dude. It would be bubbly if it was soap. And there already is a soap one, isn't there? >> My soap on my at home in my shower is not always bubbly. Is >> But that's what all the if there's a bubble emoji. >> If Why don't you Sorry. Uh have we lost everyone under 30? Why? I don't think anyone uses emojis yet. >> You are insane. >> What are you talking about? >> Am I wrong about that? >> You're wrong about that. >> Everyone emoji >> in the comments below. I just want you to comment how old you are and if you regularly use emojis in your conversation because I I've I've >> a clue that it might be not happening for younger people. >> Why wouldn't they use emoji? >> I don't know. It's cringy and old voice notes and Snapchat. >> It's funny cuz lowercase text, man. >> They just use They're just on FaceTime all the time. I feel like we have a >> my proof against you on this is we have a running joke in the office where whenever something gets posted that we don't like >> one time someone put the skull and crossbones instead of just the skull and then somebody got really mad at it saying like boomer that's not the right one so now we just use skull and crossbones for everything. >> I who's like 20 years old called me unc for using skull and crossbones instead of just the skull. >> So now we use skull and crossbones all the time. But the fact that we're getting schooled on what is the proper emote emoji. Sure. Sure. But I think an even younger generation maybe like gen. >> Miles found out Miles found out yesterday that I was 29 and he was so shocked. He was like, "Wait, so you're like actually?" I was just I was just [laughter] kidding this whole time. But like you're actually old, >> mother. We're like We're in our 30s over here. Okay, >> bro. They say if your age starts with a if you're the year you were born starts with a one. >> A one. Your uncle. >> It's funny cuz >> Sure. For a while we had the like, oh, when were you born? 200 end. >> Yeah. >> 200 end. >> Yeah. Yeah. Someone someone um DM'd me on Instagram the other day because I had posted a camera thing and they're like, "Wow, it's so crazy because I got into photography because of a photo you posted and now and I was born in 2008." >> Oh my god. >> And I was like, >> "What? [laughter] >> Wait, are you legally allowed to talk to me if you were born in 2008?" Low key, one of the things that happens that makes me feel the oldest is someone will will come up to me and be like, "I've been watching your videos since I was like 8 years old." And they're a full grown adult. [laughter] I'm like, "Wait a second. Hold on. I'm doing the math. This is This is crazy." >> You have been making videos more than half of your life. It's true. >> And like if you if you're like your conscious life, you know, your sentient life, >> it's like threequarters of >> Pretty much the whole time I've been awake. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I wake up, I make videos, I sleep. >> Yeah. Okay. It's true. >> Anyway, very excited about these emojis. Speaking of Google, because Jennifer Daniel does work at Google, Google is going to begin carrying third party app stores next week. >> Whoa. >> Which is a pretty good deal. Next Wednesday. You might remember this is the trial that keeps on giving. Um, there was the Google versus Epic trial, which we tried to cover pretty broadly last year, or I guess it was two years ago now because the Epic, it happened in October of 2024. Google was ordered to carry other app stores inside of the Google Play Store for several years. Um, and also all these other app stores would need to have everything available in Google Play available in them as well. So this was like their way of settling this monopoly case. Now what was weird about this is after the trial happens and after the verdict comes down, they have to basically decide amongst themselves what the remedies for these things are. During um this remedy period, the judge found out that Epic and Google had tried to secretly work things out amongst themselves for settlement. And uh Epic had agreed to buy $800 million of Google services in exchange for Epic helping promote Android, Google using Unreal Engine uh more deeply, and each company coordinating on product development, quote unquote. Uh the judge was a little bit worried about this, specifically worried that it was a quidd proquo uh and that Epic would still push for changes that would help other developers. And they were a little bit worried that this would not help the antitrust case and that it seemed like a package deal. The problem with this is

that Tim Sweeney kind of the entire reason that he brought this case in the first place is that his take was that uh Google was taking special deals from people and they were being unfair to developers. and Tim Sweeney said they would never take a special deal from gatekeepers such as Google based on principle [snorts] >> unless >> uh unless it's $800 million. [laughter] >> So yeah, well I mean Epic is the one paying Google $800 million apparently, which is also weird, but apparently Google is just going to be promoting their stuff. The judge felt uneasy but ultimately let it go through. >> That's great. >> Same. We love America. [laughter] Um, either way, it's going to be really interesting to see what this ends up looking like in practice because it should be launching on the 22nd, which is next Wednesday. Uh, we're going to see other app stores inside of the Google Play Store, which is weird. So, we'll probably see the Epic Store in there. We might see Microsoft will launch, you know, their own Microsoft Store inside of the Play Store. But, it is interesting that they have to offer everything that the Google Play Store offers. I think that's pretty weird. >> Is FDroid not currently on the Play Store? >> You have to sideloadad it. Oh, interesting. So, that should be there next week. >> There's that. There's um the guys that make Alt Store um which I think I'm not sure if that's only on the iPhone or not, but Riley Stout and uh and Co, I think we'll probably be launching some sort of alternative app store on the Google Play Store. >> So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, if this, you know, if these other app stores take less than 30% of a cut, that would theoretically incentivize Google to lower their cut. At the same time, you have to download these other app stores through the Google through the app store, >> which is uh a little roundabout. Yeah, >> Play Store is gonna be like Internet Explorer still super popular because it's the default, >> but if anything else is good enough now, it will just be the thing that you download other browsers from. >> That's true. >> Is it? >> I think it'll be fine. >> Is I thought I thought you can't even get Internet Explorer. I thought it was Edge. >> Edge now. >> It's still Internet Explorer. >> Welcome to Edge. We're so excited to have you. Chrome, [laughter] >> give me Chrome. Wait, >> download. You know, you know what you're here for. [laughter] >> Give me Chrome. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, speaking of things that uh don't exist anymore, >> uh >> in some regions. >> Yeah, in some regions, let's get to some heavier news, which is that OnePlus officially. Oh, nice. >> I don't know why I actually was expecting a a harmonica in Ellis's mouth. I mean, audio listeners, >> why not? >> He has a harmonica right now, >> right? Officially, the news is OnePlus is shutting down operations in the US, North America, and Europe. We saw the writing on the wall. They kind of started slowing down. A bunch of future devices were discontinued. We thought we might get a new foldable, cancelled. We thought we might get a new flagship, cancelled. And now there will be no more new OnePlus phones for us. They will continue in Asia and India. They're actually pretty popular there still. nor devices especially. >> But I've been a OnePlus user for a long time here and uh I will no longer be able to daily/ buy the devices here which is very sad. >> Yeah. One other thing is that they are going to be merging people over to Color OS. >> This is fascinating. >> This is very funny because they had already done this. People got mad and then they just like changed the name back to Oxygen but it was basically still color OS. changed. It was Oxygen OS was its own thing for such a long time for OnePlus phones and I loved Oxygen OS and then they did this hard pivot into Color OS and >> also a great OS too. >> It's fine. It's totally fine. It's just very different and when people love Oxygen OS that's very jarring to them and so they just >> named it Oxygen OS again, but it's essentially the color thing. >> Uh OPPO being the parent company to OnePlus. So now it will officially uh update and just become shamelessly color OS again. >> Yeah. Uh yeah, there's a long history with OnePlus, especially on on this channel, on the MKBHD channel. I've talked about them since the OnePlus one. They've had so many interesting phones and twists and turns in their history. Uh they felt like the enthusiast brand that showed up and and was really disruptive for quite a while before they became the enemy that you either live long enough to see yourself become or die. >> Um and so yeah, they they did now die. >> Yeah. If you want to learn more about OnePlus history, I recommend that you go watch our Sanen mod episode because we have a ton of OnePlus history in there and then go watch the downfall of OnePlus will be studied video. >> I think you even had a few videos like this. >> You have another OnePlus video. I think >> I've had I've done various history of OnePlus videos in the past, but that's the latest one where I did get some comments saying, "Wow, this is way too early. They're not going away." But now that video has aged very well. >> Yeah. What happened to OnePlus 5 years ago? >> Yeah. 5 years ago. What happened to OnePlus? They really went through a lot of twists and turns. Like they would they would just be bad all of a sudden and their phones would not be good value and then people get mad and eventually they'd come back and make a banger and then be they'd be bad again. And yeah, eventually they just I think OPPO Group just got tired of having to deal with those that fan base. >> I would like to give my top three OnePlus phones of all time. >> All right, let's do it in no particular order. >> No [laughter] particular order. Okay, fine. I'll do it. Fine. Fine. Fine. I will do it in order. Fine. out of business, Marquez. >> Top three best OnePlus phones of all time. Number three, >> the OnePlus 15. >> Oh, the OnePlus 15, which I'm still using, still dailying with its unbelievable battery, incredible performance, total lack of bloat, very average cameras, and uh just the complete OnePlus experience right here. This is this is the epitome of modern OnePlus. Still pushing the boundaries and not too overpriced. Top three, OnePlus 15. >> Okay, >> number two, the OnePlus 1. the sandstone. >> Sandstone, >> the hype factor, the price per dollar ratio. >> You could just say sandstone three times. >> Sandstone is pretty fire, but I actually think I daily the white one because the sandstone kind of aged in its weird way. It was cool at first and then it was a little weird when it aged. But >> uh that had a whole lore with it from like how difficult it was to get the invite system, all the things that were happening with OnePlus at the time. But the OnePlus 1, I'm putting at number two. >> Can I guess you're number one? >> You probably guess it. >> Is it the 7T? It's the 7 Pro. >> Oh, there's a whole cluster of them in there. But I would put like Yeah, the 7T Pro McLaren edition is the best of these. But right around that year where the 7 Pro and then the 7T and 7T Pro came out, these phones were I I think I could still use that phone today. Obviously, the camera is going to be much worse, but like those the software experience was damn near perfect. It had very it was early to high refresh rate displays, so they were some of the only 90 Hz, I believe, displays out there. super super smooth. The batteries lasted a long time. They also did this thing where they were approaching like a 100% screen to body ratio on the front and that was like a hype number people talked about at the time. So they threw the the selfie camera in a little popup camera. >> That was fun. [clears throat] >> And that was kind of fun and it didn't seem to break very easily. So I like that. >> One of ours got water logged cuz we tried opening it underwater. >> Oh, okay. Well, the one I was using, I never did that underwater and it it it didn't have any issues. It was the battery lasted a long time. charged super fast. All of the best parts of OnePlus, which is what had me recommending OnePlus phones to people, uh were in the phones of that exact era. And yeah, I feel like that might be the phone. If you look back at the last 10 to 15 years, I'm pretty sure the number one brand of smartphone that I've died myself, >> LG >> would be OnePlus. Yeah, the the 7 Pro series, you have bigger hands than me, but for me it was a little too big and it had a lot of ghost touching issues because the screen to body ratio was so high. >> They did waterfall it a little bit >> and it wrapped around the side and there were so many times I'd just be holding the phone and it would just be doing things on its own because it thought I was touching the side. >> That was a fun time of we have to do screen to body ratio because it's a number and a marketing photo we can put up and we don't care how bad it screws up usability. >> Send it. I like the 7T so much because it was like all the best things about the 7 Pro, but it was cheaper. It was like $4.99. Yeah. Had a flat screen. >> It was better in certain little ways. Um, yeah, I was obsessed with that one. I recommended it to everybody. I bought my dad one that was a terrible mistake because after a long period of time when the OS started randomly changing and it randomly changed to color OS, my dad just had a meltdown. >> Yeah. It was always an enthusiast phone and it was it was funny cuz people in real life would ask me like what phone is that? I'd say oh it's a OnePlus 7. And they go >> what who makes it? What are you talking about? I say oh sorry the the company name is OnePlus >> and then it's the 7. So it's the OnePlus 7. And they'd be like okay so the eight I guess. I'm like yeah sure whatever fine. So it was always a bit of an enthusiast phone. It was always a slightly if you know you know brand. >> But yeah man people I I had friends that got these that were also in the know. This is always this is a good time. >> I have a take that I want to mention about this um that I'm also writing an article about where I don't think that OnePlus and US carriers were ever going to work. >> They never got along. They never uh maybe there was a brief wasn't there like a like a OnePlus 12 or something that >> the 6T uh sorry no >> yeah the 6T was the first phone on T-Mobile. >> Okay. and they made a big deal about it and they launched on T-Mobile and it was a whole thing and then that lasted a few years. Verizon had OnePlus phones for the OnePlus 8 and the OnePlus 9, right? >> The most annoying thing about the OnePlus 8 was that if you bought it at T-Mobile, it was like one price, but if you bought it at Verizon, you had to buy it with the millimeter wave bands >> and it added $100, which made it like not really a good value anymore. Anyway, my sort of like theory about US carriers and OnePlus is that like US carriers because of the way they want to do the subsidies for you where they slowly have you pay off the phone with your monthly bill but then they sort of lock you into that 24 to 36 month pay period. Um they actually want you to buy more expensive phones because then if you leave the plan and if you go to another

option you still have to pay off the rest of the phone. >> Mhm. So, if you're paying $4 to T-Mobile every month for a for, you know, a $1,400 iPhone, and as long as you're on that plan for 24 to 36 months, it's like, oh, yeah, it's four bucks for a for a $1,400 iPhone, that's amazing, but as soon as you want to leave to like Visible [snorts] or Verizon or something, they're like, "Oh, you owe us $1,000 now." >> Yeah. >> And it's sort of this chain. And so like carriers actually want you to buy more expensive phones because it keeps you on the plan longer. Whereas a $500 OnePlus phone if you like eventually they're like, "Hey, you owe us 400 bucks now." You're like, "Oh, I get okay, I guess." You know, >> less incentive. >> It's way less incentive. >> Yeah. This is one of those things that I think we talk about once in a while in videos and maybe people who aren't from the US get kind of annoyed with it, but it's still true that here in the US carriers still basically run like what what phones people buy and what phones like sell the most. >> Yeah. >> So people go to their carrier to buy a new phone most of the time. >> Yeah. >> So whatever phones get pushed by carriers get sold the most. So whichever ones have the best deals who buddy up with those carriers will do the best. And so that's why you see that the big companies in the US continue to do well because they have their deals with Verizon, AT&T, etc. >> And uh OnePlus was never one of those uh companies, at least here. So they never really got a ton of they were probably like a fraction of a percent of market share here. >> I saw some crazy statistic yesterday. There was a stat statistic that came out recently that three out of every four phones sold at US carriers were iPhones. 75%. And there was a statistic from 2020, which was 2 years after the OnePlus launched in T-Mobile stores that uh the like 92% of all phones sold at carriers were either Apple phones or Samsung phones. >> So, OnePlus was fighting for that 8% against Motorola and like Google Pixel and all these other Yeah, >> it was not not good for them. So, you can see why they pulled out. This whole thing makes our previous time talking about this really really funny because there was that really weird article like >> like OnePlus is going out of business >> and then OnePlus of India was like we're not going anywhere. said that like I went back and looked at our thing is that was like the the AI written article >> that was everyone agreed that like it made sense but it just said exclusive and it was a complete opinion piece written helped by AI so no one took it seriously but yes but then >> yeah what's funny is OnePlus of India was like we're not going anywhere >> they're not [laughter] exactly was like [snorts] >> we specifically said that we were like yeah this is OnePlus India saying they're not going anywhere. But like the big thing, the general gist of this article is like OPPO is winding down some things in different regions because there's too much going on in the OPPO parent company, which makes sense. Like why not take away the regions you're selling the worst in and just make better oppo phones? Especially with the prices of everything now less SKS is better for you. >> Value for money is still the most important thing in India and in the US. We just don't care because of these carrier plans. Yeah, we don't have nearly as much hardware competition, which is a real bummer. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Very bummer. >> But yeah. Yeah. >> OnePlus no more here. >> No more RIP. Well, >> do you think we'll get Oppo in the US? >> No, absolutely not. >> You just don't I don't think so. And and the Oppo Find X9 Ultra is like one of the best phones in the world. And I would probably be using that phone if I could use it in the US, >> especially the way the US government feels about Chinese companies right now. Like DJI just got banned. Honestly, OnePlus was sort of their Trojan horse into the US in general, >> basically, you know, and it just never they never did the things they had to do to make it work. >> Yeah. I mean, it's just not compatible with their brand ethos. >> Yeah. >> Um, but there is a company that is in the United States that is launching a phone in a month. >> That also has really small market share. >> That also has really small market. I know we get all excited all the time when the Pixel gains market share. There was like one quarter where they were 7% of sales and we're like, it's going, it's going. And I looked at a chart yesterday. Almost every quarter they have three to two two to three% of sales. There was one quarter where they randomly got seven and it was the month the new Pixel came out. >> Yep. >> So, they're still not doing great. That's Google, baby. That's Google. >> But maybe this one will change it. >> You know why it'll change it? Cuz the new colors are fire. >> Yeah. Let's uh >> Well, we'll talk about it all. I Okay, Pixel 11. We actually just complimented Pixel 11 on not leaking as much as we thought it would like a week or two ago. And then like mere days after we'd said that, basically everything is leaked. So, okay. Yeah. Now the Pixel 11, we kind of already know everything from the new colors to the design to the lack of a glow bar. >> You don't know the camera features, though. There's that. >> True. Well, we'll get some AI soft stuff cuz software can't leak. Well, it can, but it doesn't as [laughter] much from these companies. Um, but from what we see, the design looks essentially the same as we've seen for the past couple years, but a new color, a set of colors, which seems nice. And then we get the spec sheets and the prices. So, we'll get to that in a second, but what are the new colors, David, cuz you're pumped about these. >> Um, okay. Well, the So, Andrew, you wrote this down. >> Yeah, I wrote >> When you say there are like two colors for each color, what is that? What's the deal? You tell me. >> Um, this is the most confusing set of rumors and leaks I've ever read in my entire life. And writing out just the colors of this probably took me over an hour because the reason we have these leaks is an accidental Amazon listing. And the reason we kind of need to take that with a grain of salt is because even though it said it was from the Google Play Store on Amazon with Amazon third party sellers, like sometimes you can get something shipped by a third party that still will say like the company name behind it. So like something can be shipped by third party like a Canon camera but still might say Canon under Amazon. So, >> we don't know exactly what this is, but the way things were listed is there was the original rumors of colors that we had names. There was then the listed ones in the title of all these Amazon listings associated with their code names, which seem to all match up. And then in the list sometimes had different color names. So, I'm going to tell you the colors with one or two potential names they might each have. >> It's also possible that they give the distributors different names than the actual colors. They don't link. They might have literally found who accidentally did this if that's the case. But so for the Pixel 11, we have obsidian or midnight haze, which is like a black. We have frost or light sterling, which is like a whitish light >> bluey tinty. Yeah. We have hibiscus or fuchsia, which is like a sick pink. I mean fuchsia. >> Yeah. Hot but dark pink, >> I would say. >> But isn't it hot pink dark? >> I don't know. I would generally do it lighter than this. Um, this is a hot pink saturation slider. Yeah. 100%. >> For sure. >> And then export it and 100% again. Yeah. >> Um, and then green, which is either going to be called pistachio or moss. >> I think it's I hope it's pistachio. I like pistachios. >> I'm going to go towards moss. >> It'll probably >> or actually I don't know because then the green for the pros are also either a forest object or a food >> which is the same as pistachio or moss. And then for the 11 Pro, we have another black either midnight haze or obsidian. We have a light fog or sterling. So it's not the same but very similar >> um as the whitish bluish color before. >> Yeah. >> Dune. >> Dune. >> Dune is fire. >> Dune or canyon which is like this is now a light pink almost orangey copper. >> These colors are so good. >> They are really good. And then we have pine or olive as the green, >> which is a light. >> I don't even know how to >> I hate all of them. >> These two are very similar. The greenish one, >> black and that's it. >> You're insane. >> I hate all You're insane. Fine. The pros The pro colors are fine. >> The pros are better for sure. >> The nonpros are are dooky. >> Okay, this is what I This is my actual thoughts. They all these camera all these companies do this thing where they have like bright fun interesting colors for the non-pros and then they have all these muted colors for the pros. Not true. >> And then Apple kind of broke out of that with this orange pro iPhone, which is crazy. And we're like, "Oh, maybe this is finally going to be the year of like interesting pro colors." But they're doing it again here. Google is has this uh bright pink on the nonpro. They have these a green, a light purple, and and a obsidian that's not really black. And then the Pros are like a muted version of all of them. >> Yeah. Yeah. I But give us like a bold pro or give us a black >> and they don't do either. >> Well, it's almost black. >> That's why it's not black. >> Sight. >> It's the purple regular 11 and only because it looks like Ellis's old mini. >> I mean, it does. Yeah, that's basically the same color as the as the 12 mini. >> I really like the pro colors. I think the green is very like Pacific Northwesty sort of adventure color. >> I will unfortunately never use a green phone. What about the Dune? No, >> I like that color. The green's funny because you're [clears throat] right. The Pros are the muted versions of the normal ones, except the green on the normal 11 is already like a muted green. So, this is like, how do we mute this more? Oh, let's mute the >> I like the logo. >> It feels like color. Yeah. It's interesting they have no sort of pearlescent option this year. They've always gone like the white like a fashiony one. >> The fog could >> the light fog. I think that might wind up being a little pearlier than this. >> Oh, I have another I have another pet peeve. I have more beef. The nonpro phones, they always do the matte aluminum rails and then the Pro phones, they do the shiny like fingerprinty rails because it's Pro and it's supposed to feel that last year though. >> Um maybe, but it looks like they're not they're going to do that again this time. The Pros have these shiny rails and the non-pros have matte rails and that is a bummer. >> That is a bummer. I'm glad they're doing colors, but maybe it's just a me thing, but I'm not a fan of any of these colors. >> Adam, hold up your phone. >> He's on an iPhone now. We can't trust him. He's a shill. >> Silver iPhone. >> Um, also, real quick, the 11 Pro full colors are obsidian, midnight haze, or green. Yeah, >> I like the rails on this screen better. Is that the same? Maybe it is

the same. You just see more of it because of the camera bump and the ed the corners. Last year did they did blue, right? For the color one. >> I don't remember. >> I'm pretty sure they did. >> Yeah. Um, for the color names, I'm pretty sure they're probably going to go with obsidian, frost. Uh, these are names that they've used in the past. So, I imagine that they will just stick with those names. Fog >> and they especially when the colors match the other accessories that they have like the pixel band accessories and stuff like the greenish one is called fog, you know. I think that they just try to stick with that across the line. So, I don't think they're going to be changing the name significantly. Yeah. But now, here's the slightly worse news. Uh, all the all the specs and prices have also leaked from this. So, if we are to believe these specs and prices, then what's happening is the base Pixel 11 will start now at double 256 gigs, but it also now starts at $900. >> Oh my god. >> And goes up from there. Uh, so Pixel 11 Pro will start at 256 with 12 gigs of RAM. It will be $1100. I mean, it's they all have to get RAM. It's 12 gigs of RAM. It's not nothing. But 1,200 [snorts] or 1,100 for Pixel 11 Pro and 1300 for the 11 Pro XL. Wow. $1,300 for Pixel. >> I thought Google just got $800 million from Epic Games. Why are they charging this much? [laughter] This >> the rest of the specs do appear to be pretty much in line with last year. batteries get a tiny bit of a bump. Like 13 megapixel front camera is the same. >> No, it's not. It was a The Pro had a 42 megapixel frontfacing camera. >> Oh, really? Okay. >> Pixel 10 Pro had resolution had a nice frontfacing camera and now Yeah. >> And they made a big deal about it. >> Mhm. And now they made it worse. >> Now these are specs. We're not totally sure, >> but 120 Hz OLEDs across the board, similar sizes. And then the Pro phone will start at $1,900. >> Pro Fold. >> Pro Fold, sorry. We'll start at $1,900. And >> $1,900. >> Yeah, >> that's going to look like a steal next to the Apple Fold. >> That's true. That's going to be $24.99. >> A couple funny things. The Pixel 11 has a better battery than the Pixel 11 Pro. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah, the selfie cameras are worse. the and yeah, these these prices are, you know, last year they had the chance to make things right and this year obviously there are RAM things, but I'm not going to let them use that as an excuse because $900 for 256 base is >> wild. It's dumb. Awful. I But the iPhone at least last year got to be like, we cared about you guys for a little bit. Pixel just spit in your face. On the 11 Pro versus 11, it's $200 more. Are you just getting the telly lens and that's it? >> You're That's typically the only difference. Yeah. Which is why I keep saying like it's hard to sell people on that. >> And it's the same size. >> Something else, too. >> Often it's like a brighter display and like a couple other small like HDR related things that are like small tweaks for the Pro. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, it's a slightly smaller battery because you have slightly more camera. So, >> this leak though says that the 11 Pro is lighter than the 11, which is very weird. >> Less battery. Could be materials. >> Battery. Materials. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Less battery. It's >> less battery. Yeah. But not by a lot. How How much does a 100 millah weigh? >> I mean, if we're talking about inside of a phone, it's probably one of the more dense things. >> It's just they're just electrons. They can't weigh that much. >> Um, the things we don't know about the Pixel are how good is the new tensor chip and what sort of new features will that unlock. That is kind of the only way that I think that they can sell me on these phones being like substantially new in any way. I don't have the leak and I can tell you that already. >> Not much better and something that will be available on all the other pixels 3 months after. >> Yeah, I have had this optimism before for pixels and it has not worked out for me. So, I am I'm not going to cross my fingers or hold my breath, but that is a thing that we don't know yet is what are they going to show on stage. Oh, Tensor has more TPU, more AI features, more stuff that you can't do on the previous phones until 6 months later. We'll see. But that's what we don't know. I did see a report that the new um the new Gemma model is like being optimized for tensor on the Pixel 10 and above. So, it's possible they have more GPU accelerators, stuff like that. >> But as far as what actual features this makes better, whether or not it's um you know, Google [clears throat] Photos features or whatever, and then it'll probably yeah, just all go to the cloud and everyone will have it in 3 months. Well, this feels like if you upgrade from a Pixel 10 Pro to a Pixel 11 Pro, you get a worse phone. >> Pixel 10 Pro to 11 Pro phone, but who's upgrading from a 10 Pro to an 11 Pro? >> Possibly. But then why wouldn't you upgrade from a Pixel 9 Pro to a Pixel 10 Pro that's you like cheaper and on sale? >> That's probably the better move. >> Yeah, this is I mean maybe there's some other stuff we don't know, but usually the stuff we don't know is software features that go to another phone later. Anyways, >> yeah, very curious. Well, there's a new Samsung Flex Titanium display technology that is apparently allegedly going to be used in the Fold 8 and the Fold 8 Ultra. Um, in previous Samsung Galaxy Folds, they have used a plastic backing material against the OLED. And they have reportedly developed a new flex titanium, which swaps the plastic support stack that used to be under the OLED panel with a new titanium alloy film, which Samsung is claiming has about 20 times the mechanical stiffness of the old polymer. Um, >> wait, what does this do? >> So, there's a couple things it does. Did you miss? >> I guess I'm I'm assuming this is basically ideally going to bring the hinge creaselessness of whatever new fold comes out to the level of what we just saw with I want to get the name right. The Apple find N6. Is that what it's called? The Fold. >> I don't know. >> The best foldable peak foldable. Find N6. Uh which we've seen that one. It's like a super impressive lack of a of a hinge crease when you're actually using it. So it's beautiful. Uh, and Samsung's now, we look at it side by side and we're like, "Oh, Samsung actually does kind of still have a crease." So, they have essentially directly responded to it by also doing the same thing, putting metal right behind that little crease and flattening it out. So, >> hopefully it works. >> It's supposed to make it locker, too. I will say almost everyone I know who has a flip after about a year to a year and a half, uh, the crease in the center cracks. So, apparently this should not crack. theoretically, hopefully on God for real this time. >> Um, and yeah, it's supposed to be a lot more flat and stable. Right now, when the uh when you unfold it, there's like a little dip in the center, and that's just because the plastic support cannot actually like it's not stiff enough to keep it flat. This is supposed to be much more stiff. Um, also because they are using this material now, they don't have to put reinforcement layers on the display, which means that there are less layers between the OLED and your eyes. So, they say that they don't have to put as much power in order to achieve the same brightness because there is less diffusion happening on top of the OLED. >> Great. >> Uh, how much power that actually saves, I'm not totally sure. This could just be their marketing spin. But any little, it's like an electric car, like any little efficiency improvement, we'll take it because these phones don't have the biggest batteries. >> For sure. >> Yeah, for sure. So, we should be seeing that. Um, >> yeah, next time the next podcast we'll be talking exactly about these things. We'll know everything about them. So, >> everything. >> Everything. >> Everything. >> Yes. >> No. >> Yes. >> The next podcast we'll be doing a game show. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Where we talk about everything from Samsung, [laughter] >> right? >> A day early. >> Yeah. The next The next podcast >> is Trivia Extravaganza. >> That's right, baby. >> Finally. >> Finally. >> Finally. >> Finally. >> And then the next next podcast. >> Yeah. Then >> we'll be trivia extravaganza too. >> Electric ugaloo. >> The triving. >> The triving. >> Yeah. So um well the next real regular not real the next regular scheduled show you'll be hearing. >> Wow. Tell us how you really feel. >> Okay. It's only five points if I win. Okay. I think what he's trying to say is everyone should hit the subscribe button to know when both of those podcasts are out. >> That's true. You want to know, you just want to click. Uh yeah. So, that should be interesting and exciting. We are going to learn more about that next week. >> Speaking of learning more about things, you know that always happens when we do trivia. >> See what I did there? >> Nice. >> I was going to say I try and forget all the ones I get wrong because they just make me mad instead. >> True. >> It's a lot. you'll learn temporarily. >> Pete Laauo, who founded OnePlus, right? Okay. I wasn't sure if he was the OG guy or if he came on later, but anyway, Pete Laauo, when describing his aspirations for OnePlus all the way back in 2014, 12 years ago, said that he wanted OnePlus to be which Japanese minimalist homegoods brand, but for the tech industry. >> I feel like I learned I read this recently. What did he say? He wanted OnePlus to be >> he said he wanted it to be the blank of the tech industry. >> Fujifilm >> and it's a Japanese minimalist homegoods store known for not putting their logo on any of their products. >> World Market >> Trader Joe's. >> Well, like we said, we will either get the answers right or we will learn something new. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. [music] Support for the show comes from Framer. Framer is a complete website platform, not just a builder. So teams can launch and keep improving their sites in one place. Thousands of businesses from earlystage startups to Fortune 500s are choosing to build their websites in Framer, where changes take minutes instead of days. Framer is a pro-site builder for creators, teams, and businesses that want to build a professional site and care enough to get every detail right. Agents solve the gap between AI generated ideas and productionready website work. 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Um, >> we just posted a skit to the

main channel called Apple's winning the AI race. And at the end, we kind of pose this question of what do you think is more likely? Do you think Apple will create good enough AI to make people stick with the iPhone if people are looking for AIs? or do you think some one like an AI company will make a good enough piece of hardware like a phone to make people switch off of iPhones? And >> the first one, >> yeah, I agree. But apparently OpenAI didn't. And their best thought was, well, let's just steal the iPhone. Pretty much [laughter] >> that's dumb. >> Um, in a suit filed last week, the iPhone maker alleges that OpenAI asked former Apple employees, um, even potential recruits to bring information about unreleased products. They also are claiming that OpenAI instructed hires on how to evade security procedures. I'll get to that in a second. >> That's a really funny image though of someone being like, "Hey, uh, your interview for with OpenAI is tomorrow." Oh, what do they tell you to bring? Uh, bring my resume. Bring trade secrets [laughter] from Apple. >> Did you read the rest of what I wrote because you're it's worse somehow. [laughter] >> Somehow worse. Okay. >> Okay. Everything I'm going to do here is basically >> allegedly >> just Well, yes, allegedly. But things I pulled from there's a Bloomberg article, there's an RS Technica article. Everyone covered this. I'm just going to tell you some of the things that OpenAI is allegedly doing. Um because some of them are wild. So one of the crazier things I read is that um Tang Yu Tan, a former Apple VP of the iPhone and Apple Watch product design. >> He was there for 29 years, by the way. >> Yep. He is now the chief hardware officer at OpenAI. He I mean like first of all, you can swap tech swaps jobs all the time. We're all used to that. But in the suit, it's alleging that um is it a three-piece suit or a >> This man became the chief hardware officer at a company that makes no hardware investments. >> Well, they're working on um Apple's alleging that he took information about Apple's suppliers to him with OpenAI and encourages interviewees at OpenAI to divulge confidential company information. He has quote directed job candidates still working for Apple to bring in actual parts from Apple to their interviews for show and tell sessions. >> What? [laughter] >> Okay, that's hilarious. >> Unrelated to the show and tell session we'll be doing later in this episode. >> Yeah, true. >> Um, and then yeah, >> I'm bringing in trade and [laughter] >> No, not bringing in the physical products. Um, >> he's relied on his insider knowledge, like knowing project secret code names to have Apple employees in their interviews discuss unreleased products. He also has used internal allegedly used internal Apple documents to create a checklist to help departing Apple employees circumvent security measures while bringing those trade secrets. Um, >> messy. >> Some of that is the show and tell thing is hilarious. that show and tell thing is like a par it's almost reads like an onion article. >> Uh >> yeah, >> it is I'm sure that there are like very specific things that Apple makes you sign to work there and then like once you leave like you're not allowed to disclose a bunch of that stuff, but there also is probably a gray area that OpenAI is clearly going past, but there's probably a gray area of like well the reason why OpenAI wants to hire you is because of your expertise in the places you work. That's how hiring works. But then they're just kind of being way more over the line about it where they're like, "Yeah, bring all the bring the folders from your desk at Apple when you come to work here." Like stuff like that. >> Open has has also hired over 400 people from Apple and they have gutted so many teams at Apple that they have had to completely rehire for different organizations because so many people left to OpenAI. >> Yeah. Here's a little inside baseball is like the number one most common pitch I see in my inbox for companies that think that they're about to get a bunch of investment is we have a bunch of people that came from Apple. >> Yeah, >> that is like the that's the the golden words that you need to be able to say >> to get people to be interested in your startup. Humane like it's not new. This is not a new strategy. So yes, inevitably you're going to get a lot of people who are like poached from Apple to go to this new place because they are promised a way bigger role and the ability to like shape some crazy new thing. And you you're taking a risk, but yeah, that is clearly over the line. >> It's tricky because uh during the Biden administration, they put forward a bunch of legislation that made it so they could not stop uh they could not make you sign agreements that say I cannot work at these tech companies two years. Yeah, non-competes basically. And they made it so they can't do that because then you're basically trapped at a corporation and then you can't have a job for two years, which is insane. >> But on the other side of that coin, it's like >> you even if you don't explicitly bring trade secrets, it's not like they can take the information out of your brain. You know what I mean? And it's very very very difficult to not >> Yeah. >> use that similar information or similar knowledge. >> It's part of who you are. It's like okay. I mean, it depends though. There's a difference between Yeah. >> I want to use the sports analogy for this one cuz I it it's helped me sympathize, not sympathize, but understand >> when you are a unrestricted free agent from uh >> basketball again, >> any sport, any team sport, >> there are players that play for some teams who've played against other teams and one team will win the championship >> and then the next year they're a free agent. they just won the championship and a competing team might go, >> we would like to make a trade to get that guy because he's a good cuz he's a good basketball player, but also because we know we're going to have to beat that team again next year and he knows all their plays. He knows the way they run and the way they're coached and all these secrets that they have. And I'm not going to ask him outright to be like, "Hey, we want to trade for you. Like, are you going to give us the playbook from your team?" But it's it kind of just comes with the package. Like that's part of who you are as a basketball player. He also wants to win. >> Yeah, it's competitive. >> They brought in the actual thing like that's not what we're talking over the line. But in any in any other like hiring situation that that's that's like part of the story of like who you're hiring. >> I think the better analogy here is like Formula 1 and being like, "Oh, Lewis Hamilton or Adrien Newi is up and we're going to sign him at Aston Martin and he brings in a wealth of knowledge of developing the car." That's something they can expect. This would be like Adrien Newy showing up with >> the blueprint, >> the the front wing and being like in his interview like this is what's helping us. >> Him driving to work on his first day in the old car. Like >> yeah. Uh Apple is also alleging that Lou left Apple on January 22nd, 2026, never returned at least one company laptop, and he texted a former colleague still at Apple writing, "Lol, I found out I can access the network storage. So funny." Her reply was, "I'm ready." [laughter] >> And then she left Apple and went to OpenAI after. >> So, >> wow. They do have some They got some dirt, I'm going to say. >> Yeah, the text trails are >> Yeah, he like used some bug through it and can still access could still access the network storage while he was already working at Open. It's >> It's crazy. >> Some of this stuff is like a whole another level [laughter] of >> Yeah. >> of not just like, oh, I have a bunch of experience from Apple to just like I have the Apple thing. I would like to remind everybody that currently on the iPhone there is an open AI ask chatgpt integration. [laughter] >> They were supposed to be friends. >> Buddy buddy. >> Really awkward. >> Yeah. >> Oh, but then this morning, don't worry everyone, we have a resolution to this already. >> Uh, yes. Hold on. Where did I post this? >> Um, OpenAI says it has seen no evidence supporting Apple's trade secret theft claims. >> Oh, >> they've they have investigated themselves. >> They find themselves totally innocent. investigation and found nothing wrong. >> Oh, that's crazy. Okay, well >> this is ridiculous. >> I guess they can just they can just >> This is a company that stole everything being like, [laughter] "Wait, we didn't take that. >> We didn't take that though." >> Yeah, we literally told took everything. But we >> guys, we already built so many things on the things we stole. Do you think we could just use it anyway? >> Like, you remember that episode of Futurama where Bender walks around singing that song and goes, "I love stealing. I love [laughter] taking things." Exactly. >> Yeah. Out in the open. Out in the open, baby. It's kind of like Sunno. Little little tangent, but there was a report this morning got hacked and all the source code got leaked and all the source code is like YouTube tags and yeah, it's just genius lyrics which are also copyrighted. This is all cop this is all stolen. Um, yeah, there's a lot going on there. This is going to be a really fun lawsuit to watch play out. >> It's going to be the more discovery there is, the more fun we are all going to have. Ultimately, what's probably going to happen is it's going to take forever. OpenAI is probably going to have to like pause what they're doing hardware-wise and try and redo things as much as they can without looking like they're taking anything from Apple or else Apple's going to >> But that's the other thing is they kind of still do want to look like they're taking things from Apple. >> They took Johnny. [laughter] >> They took Johnny IVive from Apple. >> Yeah. And Ferrari took Johnny IV and and was proudly like this is the guy who did the Apple stuff. Now he's with us. That makes it good, right? Like that's it's so And yeah, it didn't work. >> Notice how he's still the the former Apple guy, not the luch creator. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Question. If you're hiring someone like you're open AI and you're hiring someone for their knowledge of like a certain part of the market and their relationships and like, oh, I know these factories, blah blah blah blah, and then you hire them away from someone like Apple. How does that person then not just go back and use those same factories? Like there's only so many factories you can use to build China. >> No, but I mean >> he's saying to use the factories >> like the per to Marquez's point, it's this guy's knowledge of these factories like, "Oh, I know this one factory builds this thing." >> He has that knowledge no matter what. Whether or not he's bringing in old iPhone parts or whatever or new iPhone parts. >> Yeah, this is what I'm saying. You can't restrict knowledge. And this is the whole reason why these non-competes existed in the first place. But by non-competes existing, you're also basically locking people into a company. >> So it's kind >> even two years later, I'm still going to know that company exists >> for sure. >> Knowing the factory doesn't mean you're going to know how they're building everything in it. I mean, you could use it again, but then it would be the factory breaking trade secrets that they probably have some sort of contract in and how things are built and whatnot. Plus, chances are if you're going to the factory, Apple's using Apple's probably using them at a pretty high capacity already. >> Yeah. I mean, I remember uh getting a tour of the Pegatron factory.

>> Hilarious name. >> And uh they were building the iPhone 10 there while I was there. >> And that's how that stuff gets leaked. >> It's like very very simple. There's >> there is a difference between just like knowledge and like trade secrets though. Like you can ask >> but that's the gray area. >> They it sounds if all these alleged things happen, we pass the gray area. >> No. Yeah, those things [laughter] are past the gray area. But I think there is a gray area in knowledge that you had to do your job and trade secrets. And I'm sure Apple probably explicitly defines some things as secret and cannot be traded. But the things that aren't explicitly defined are just kind of like oh proprietary. >> Well, you can be you can have a not have a non sorry too many >> non >> yeah too many abbreviations here. You can have >> a contract that doesn't involve a non-disclosure, but you could still probably have NDA things that you learned at the company that if it were to be those things came out, you'd be breaking that contract. No. >> Yeah. >> Just never open your mouth. >> Here's another thing that happens a lot in my inbox, okay? >> Is I'll get an email from someone who was working at one smartphone company or one car company or whatever, and they go, "Hey, it's my last day at the job. Just wanted to say it was great working with you. Here's me passing you off to your new contact here. And then five minutes later, I'll get an email from the same person. Hey, I'm now working at this company. >> Good to be in touch. Here's some stuff to just get our relationship started. So, they are taking their contacts from one relationship that they had at one company to another one. Is that trade secrets? No. Is that part of the knowledge you have on the job? Kind of. Yeah. >> That's just how business works. >> That's why you got hired. You're a PR person who has those contacts. >> Yeah. So yeah, it goes with you. >> It goes with you. Well, funny enough, uh, Open >> This is legal information or legal >> legal advice. Yes, >> legal advice, uh, or financial advice. Funny, uh, related to this, related to this, OpenAI big big report out of Bloomberg this week. Uh, Openai's first hardware device is reportedly a movable screenless speaker built as an AI companion. >> I thought it was an iPhone. >> Not that's not their first one. It will be their second probably. Um, if this is actually really interesting, they're actually allowed to. >> Why are we calling a movable? It's a Bluetooth speaker. >> It's a Bluetooth speaker, but it's not Bluetooth. >> It's not Bluetooth. It's probably Wi-Fi. >> They have um It has Anyway, I'll go through. >> Who cares? >> Mhm. So, it's going to be a smart speaker that lives in your home and it will exist as a sort of companion that you'll be able to talk to casually, control other smart home devices, play media, respond to messages, and tap into the full range of capabilities offered by Chat GBT. It kind of sounds like the Sonos Rome speaker, their little portable speaker that you move around the house that both has Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Um, they German says that it will become a it will become more personalized and proactive as it grows to understand its owner over time and it will use a more advanced version of the chat GPT live feature they just announced last week to communicate with users. It can listen and talk at the same time, adapt naturally to conversations and quickly process information. It's designed to stay in your home, but it will be extremely easy to move around different rooms. So, if you like take it to the washing machine room or something, if you live in a house and you're rich, unlike me. Um, it's supposed to have I don't have a laundry room, bro. The device is said to have mechanical elements that can move on their own to give the users a sense that the device is actually responding and is a bit more anthorized. Don't love that. >> You mean like that Apple research paper they put out a few years ago? >> Yes. Just like that confidential trade secret paper. Uh, it will include a camera and other sensors to better understand its surroundings and context. Don't love that part. And reportedly, OpenAI is working on five different hardware devices, including the phone. Uh, but it plans to announce this one this year and probably release in 27. Though, because of this lawsuit, uh, it's very possible this gets pushed by like a year. >> This might stay inhos. >> I don't want a speaker that gets more proactive. That might be the the worst feature I could think of on a a thing that's constantly >> listening and looking at me all the time. >> I don't want it to >> Yeah. >> No, you're right. >> That's crazy. >> You're right. >> It's crazy that it would like get more adapted to you as a >> more They're using the word proactive, which makes me think it will start >> prompting you because it knows >> it will stop prompting me instead of me prompting [laughter] it. Like I don't want to walk by it and be like, "Yo, what's up? Weather's pretty nice out today and I'm going to pick up the movable speaker and move it as far into the woods as possible with a baseball throw. >> Andrew, design a web app that does this. >> I'm going to [laughter] just toss it out the window. That sounds >> Make no mistakes. >> Make no mistake. >> All of these tech bro like there's so much discussion in the tech space right now about taste and everyone everyone thinks doing things with taste means doing things with like an Apple hardware finish. You know what I mean? No. paste means not making a wife a robot waifu in any capacity. I don't care if it's a dude. I don't care if it's a beautiful brushed aluminum speaker. >> Mhm. >> Don't do it. >> But you know, Sam Alman's Sam Alman is just trying to figure out as many ways as possible to get people to buy a chat GBT subscription for life. Like that's what he wants. He wants you to become attached to things. He wants you to just never want to unsubscribe to chat GBT because you're basically killing your friend if you do this. That's what he wants you to do. I'll tell you I'll tell you why I think this is really interesting. And this is this is kind of what came from that video that that I just made, which was, do you think that Apple with the iPhone will make an AI good enough to keep you on the iPhone or do you think a hardware an AI company will come along and make hardware good enough to take you off of the iPhone? Every company is looking for what the next big thing is all the time. Yeah, >> the iPhone has been the big thing for a long time, which has everybody on edge looking for the next big thing. And it seems like AI is going to be related to this next big thing in some way. And so if you're a company that's either new or very heavily invested in AI and you think that there's a possibility that you can get someone to the next big thing that is not the iPhone, how do you make that? What is that thing? Those are all unanswered questions. This is going to be one of them first big company attempts at the next big thing. And what they will absolutely not have is a way to connect it to the iPhone. And so they'll have to do everything on this device anticipating that it never connects to an iPhone. It'll have to connect to the internet on its own. It will have to listen to the user and move and connect to the chat GPT service on its own. And if you want to have it do all the things that you were talking about that it's supposed to do, which is like um play media, respond to messages, and do all this other stuff, how does it do that without talking to your iPhone? That's really tricky. But if you the second that you make it connect to the iPhone, you are dependent on the iPhone and it is therefore not the next big thing after the iPhone. And that's the challenge that they're all after. >> We saw this fail many times. Think of the humane pin. Okay, we want to build the next big thing. What if it's a pin that sits on your chest and it has this little AI in it and you can talk to it and it listens to you, whatever. We all know that was a dumb idea and it was way too early and it was a bad product. But one of the things that it absolutely could not do was connect to the iPhone to get messages to do any of the things we wanted it to do because the smartphone's so good. >> So the challenge that that seems impossible that is up against all these big companies and chat GPT or OpenAI is going to try is to make something that you are willing to use that never connects to your phone and it's a really hard challenge and it's probably going to be a dumb bad product and we're way too early still but that's the challenge ahead of them. That is exactly why specifically the line respond to messages perked my ears up >> because how are you going to do that? Does that mean that they're going to launch their own messaging service? Is that included in chat? Do we get >> issue humane has messages or something? Cuz if you're going to respond to iMes then you need to plug into the iPhone which Apple will never let you do even if you did hire Johnny IV. >> This is the main thing for me like open has try being trying to build out an ecosystem of tasks and things that chatt is able to do. None of these things have to do with other people, right? And you cannot get rid of the you can't get rid of the phone without replacing the messaging ecosystem and the ability to talk to other people, work with other people in Slack in messages. Most of the things that we do on our phones are connect with other people digitally, whether it's social media, whether it's texting. OpenAI does not have that. So yes, you could probably make a bot that you talk to, that is anthropomorphized, that you develop a relationship with, that you just sort of have conversations with. Sure, but like replacing the iPhone is insane. And I don't I still don't know what they expect their phone to be because if it's a phone, it's just going to be an Android phone. And like sure, maybe it's optimized for ChatGpt in some way. And the reason they're doing that is cuz they want you to keep using the chat GBT subscription until you die, >> but it's not going to replace the core fundamental features of what makes texting texting of what makes Slack Slack. Like >> they're never going to get a critical mass to stop using the messages app. >> Yeah. What I do see is the people on the bleeding edge, the tech bros as we call them, who are like trying to turn these AI chat bots into useful tools and to have them do tasks for them or to be useful to them or whatever. >> And there are existing I was just pulling it up because I think Janna uses one of these applaud like a little note-taking companion which is essentially just like a little every once in a while. >> Yeah. which is like it is just a little useful thing which it can listen to the meetings that you're in and summarize them for you or it can listen to the notes that you talk to it and it can bring back that stuff later proactively when it thinks you want to hear that stuff again. Remind me was not paid to say that that time but we have been paid to say that. >> Correct. Good disc. Good disclosure. But it's an example of a thing that does not connect to your iPhone but uses AI to try to be useful. >> Yeah. And the more big ambitions you have with this thing to be

useful, the more you start to overlap with, oh well, my phone can do that already. Or, oh well, I think I'll it's just easier to do that on my phone instead of like also getting a second device to do that. And that's where you're up against like, well, what do we make this thing do? Does it live alongside your iPhone like the AI pin tried to? Is it just like a thing I have in my pocket sometimes and I take it with me everywhere? Is it wearable so it's on me all the time? This one, the first descriptions of it kind of sounded like a HomePod, like it was plugged into the wall, but it's clearly not. So, it's like a battery powered thing. So, you put it in your pocket with you. >> I don't think it No, no, no. You're not supposed to take it out of your home. >> It's out of your It's in your home all the time. It never leaves. >> Bluetooth speaker. >> So, yeah, it's like a >> not just Wi-Fi. So, it is it is interesting to see what their attempt of it will be. And then, of course, they will >> shower this with former Apple designers and and lots of people who >> hope it doesn't. >> Well, maybe they didn't hire an Apple designer from HomePod because they maybe have a bunch of old casings from Sam Alman's stupid eye orb thing that he tried to sell. They're still for what? >> Prove you're a human, bro. And get rich off crypto. >> This is the original reason I thought Sam Alvin was a loser. But this >> prove you're a human. Rich off crypto bing. You're you're done for UBI, baby. >> Tell tell me you couldn't see this orb thing being a little speaker with a camera sensor that would like talk to you. >> Yeah. >> Like this. This is almost what I imagined it being. Yeah. >> That looks like a membrane. It would be so funny if this is what winds up being the hardware for or something very similar to it. >> Say what you want, but I would be so happy to have a BB-8 just follow me around all day chatting with me. >> Little BB-8 guy from Star Wars. I think so cute. >> So, apparently they're working on five hardware devices right now, which is >> very interesting. I imagine one of them is planning to leave the house. Probably headphones, maybe. >> That could make sense. Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. We also there's also like Apple is going to be trying to work on things that compete too cuz they're also constantly worried about what will beat the iPhone or be next. So like AirPods with cameras, like random AI stuff. They're always working on stuff. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, >> we'll see. >> I uh it's funny that I don't think Anthropic is going to make hardware anytime soon. I think they're just cool doing the B2B thing. >> Aren't they releasing like a keyboard? >> No, the the work louder keyboard is with Open AI. >> Also, >> that was with Open AI. Oh, wait, wait. Just if I can rant on that, it's literally something that's been available forever. >> What is a macro pad? >> Work louder just makes a little macro pad. We've talked about Work Louder here. They're an interesting company that makes a lot of stuff that goes on pre-order and almost never gets actually sold. >> It's just a macro pad they've had forever and it says OpenAI on it. They've done it for Figma already. It's I'm pretty sure it's the exact same thing. >> Yeah, it's for codeex. Oh. Oh, okay. It's just like whatever that can do, you can do with any amount of buttons that can plug into a USB port. >> The action button on my phone does that. I I was I have a shortcut set. So when you press the action button, it does speech to text and then gives that to Claude and it's just my my Siri is now Claude button. >> Yeah, Steam could do whatever that is. It's it's nothing. Well, in a move that nobody uh saw coming except for everybody, Meta wants to make glasses that record all the time. They're rumored to be working on this always on pair of AI glasses that are >> recording not just what >> constantly recording audio and snapping photos that you'll be able to ask Meta AI about later. >> The absolute on this company, >> dude, it's crazy. We [laughter] gave them credit last week for like working on the drilling out LED lights and then this week they said, "Hold my beer. I want to make this even worse." They're like, they're working on a new pair of glasses that essentially would be recording audio and snapping photos every couple seconds constantly. >> So you can talk about it later. >> Mhm. So you can ask Meta AI questions about it later. Like a memory assistance, I guess. We've talked about this with other things. The What was the bubble memory pickle thing? They claim that it wouldn't be quote stored on stored by meta and users wouldn't be able to access it. It would just be they would be pulling the meta data from it and then you would be able to >> prompt into it. >> Sure, guys. >> But they're also not sure if they're going to use it to train their AI models, which definitely means they're 100% going to find a way that they can train from their AI models on it. They we already saw them do that. Is this not exactly what we were talking about with the AirPods with cameras? >> Um, >> I wasn't here for that. >> I don't I don't think the AirPods are with cameras are going to be recording all the time, but >> Well, they Okay, so recording I think that's a that's a weird misnomer in the title. It's not recording, but it is. So, the here's what the rumor was for the AirPods. It was there was going to be cameras in the stems of the AirPods and there are lowresolution cameras that are never recording video but are always recording some lowresolution map of whatever which is like kind of still video. >> Was that the rumor? >> But it would be Yeah. So it wouldn't be it's not a high enough like quality camera to to like record videos with it, but it would be able to sense >> your environment the content. Are you outside or inside? It's kind of like a low res video sensor in a way that the AI can then use that to identify, oh, you're looking at a sign or oh, you're outside right now or inside right now. And so, it's constantly running, but it's not recording. And so this article, I'm reading it now, it's saying like, oh, there's this super sensing feature, which is again, it's not recording photos and videos, but it is always running so that it has the context of what's going on when you're trying to ask it stuff when you're trying to engage with it. >> Recording audio all the time and snapping photos every couple seconds. >> So this says in one proposed system, which is this is all rumored, raw footage and audio would not be stored by meta or made available to the user. Instead, the metadata from the audio and images would be extracted and that would be uploaded to a server for AI to query. So, >> but that's still being recorded with the camera on the thing, which is not a low resolution camera and still recording audio all of the time. >> Yeah, but that never gets accessed by even the device itself. I guess it's just the metadata that gets access. >> The metadata gets sent or pulled. But yeah, like what does that mean? extracting metadata from video and audio and >> it needs to be stored at some point to extract that information. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But it can't all be stored. So I guess it's only uploading the metadata. I don't know. >> You can't ask qu questions about metadata. There's no like it'll have like it'll have your location, it'll have the lens, it'll have the battery life when when the thing got taken. >> I mean it can make tags I guess if you looked at a sign, but >> this is me. Like why are we pretending that they're not going to do the worst possible thing with this? Sooner or later this data someone's going to discover you can buy people's memories from a data broker because they're obviously going to be selling this for ad purposes and it's the whole thing's going to explode. Yeah, it's the same like I don't know if you guys remember this is like five or six years ago. The New York Times did this experiment where they started buying people in New York's commutes from data brokers because Google Maps was like tracking their location, you know, and keeping like had a record of like, oh, their commute starts at this place and they go this is where they work. And you could buy people's commutes by name from data brokers. And sooner or later you're going to be able to buy people's meta glasses memories or whatever like like what >> even in a sense like before that level like if they they're potentially training AI with this then they're obviously going to be taking enough of a audio or picture sample to be able to train it. And the last time we saw them train with AI is a bunch of people doing private things. The training AI is a bunch of people in a room looking at all of the photos and recordings train like labeling them for AI to understand lately. >> Yeah, >> it's, you know, I don't know. Obviously, all of this is rumored. Um, the Apple AirPods one, I would think that they would only do it if you asked it specifically like what am I looking at? What is that? If that I wasn't here for that, but AirPods one, if that's what they're doing, you should be just as skeptical with them. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> If you have something constantly recording, you should be skeptical of it. >> I don't know. Maybe don't put on your ears. >> I don't think we need cameras on. >> I don't think we need cameras. >> I think when you're the thing that makes the smartphone so good is that you are very intentionable intentional about everything you're doing and it's very obvious to other people the things that you're doing most of the time. Even though like using a smartphone to take a photo is less in your face as using a camera cuz it's very obvious you're just taking a picture and you can sneakily snap a photo with your smartphone. Holding it up to do a thing people can see. Staring at your screen people can see. This is why like the meta glasses with the with the screen inside is like a bad idea cuz nobody knows that you're just surfing Instagram, you know? >> I [clears throat] think it's important that the people around you have an awareness of what you're doing with the technology in front of you. And the more we try to hide this stuff, the worse it is for everybody's privacy. >> So, >> yeah, they specifically said in their statement that we read last week that like they need to be able for people to trust their products because, you know, this is a a product that people are supposed to be wearing all the time. And the more people don't trust it, the more it's going to get banned from different places and therefore like they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with their own product. >> Yeah. And at this point, I don't see why these products don't get banned from uh bathrooms, changing facilities, gyms, pools, like >> F1 paddics [laughter] >> like they're going to get banned from so many things that are part of your everyday life that these aren't going to be able to be things that you can have on your person as an everyday accessory and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with it. Yeah, that's what's very hard about this is that the banning of these things is going to get more and more difficult the more smart glasses companies start to exist, right? Like we have we had Meta first, but now we have all of these smaller companies that are making smart glasses. Google's going to start making them. Apple's going to make them. It's going

to be very difficult for people to actually know what's smart glasses and what's not smart glasses. >> I have to assume by the end of next year glasses with cameras in them will be banned from public restrooms. >> You don't think so? from lobbying. >> Dude, no one is ever going to take care of any of these tech companies, man. >> I think that's >> I think that might be a creepy enough thing that I could see it. Well, I mean, it's going to happen whether it's a government ban or just most private companies are allowed to ban it from their own public their own spaces. >> But the problem too is that some of these like the metaw in particular have prescription lenses in them. So, they are the people's glasses, right? But but that's at that point that's what shoots Meta in the foot is because >> it doesn't matter if it's prescription glasses or not. If you're a facility that doesn't want recording in it like that, you ban it from it and then if you either don't wear your glasses or you don't get to come in or you have to have another pair of prescription glasses, which is annoying, >> which is really annoying. >> There's There's Dude, I I've straight up gotten ads on Facebook like like recommended Facebook Marketplace listings for crystal meth. like there's no there is nothing that can be done about about this, you know, like I I really believe we're at a point where unless we have like some sort of radical change in the power structure of this country, >> they're just going to do whatever they want, you know, and I can make all the jokes I want about, you know, bender stealing or whatever, but you know, that's that's how I feel. >> Yeah. >> I did look up the the Apple story from a couple weeks ago, which again, this is a rumored thing, so we don't know if it's coming out or not, but it was infrared cameras. infrared. Yeah. Okay. So, it's cameras. And people will say it's cameras, but >> there you go. >> Yep. It's still a camera. If it's a camera, it's a camera. There are people that still put tape over their like webcams, you know, like >> Yeah. >> Anytime there's a camera involved, >> computers that come with a physical switch. >> So, like I think anytime you put a camera in your thing, people are going to look at it with a skeptical eye. I mean, if you want to think if you want to believe all the companies, you should even just be skeptical of it because if someone can somehow get into any of the things like most people do it for webcams more because if someone gets into your network, you're worried people are seeing what's on your webcam. There's a thousand reasons to be >> guys >> skeptical of it. >> What is a photo anyway? >> Doesn't matter. The the other thing I saw in this, which is still a rumor, is I guess they pulled up a statement from Meta a while ago that kind of breathed some information into what we talked about before, but they claim that the reason they don't want it lighting up during AI instances versus recording instances is then if it's lighting up all of the time, then people won't actually know when people are recording actively versus the AI recording it and then become too accustomed to it that they won't actually know, which just one two different color record two different color lights solved meta. I'll take my check. How long did that take? Go yourself. But but yeah, it's like that's one of those things that like on the absolute baseline of it is like that makes sense. And then you think about it for 5 seconds and you're like that's just all for your benefit and not for the benefit of any of your users. So stupid, but uh so I can only assume always super sensing will not activate the recording light because it would just be on all the time. And thus concludes our depressing meta coverage. >> Whoa, whoa, wait. One more thing. Um, well, well, but wait, there's more. There is pot, they are also potentially thinking if they would bring this into existing products already. So, like the current meta glasses >> just getting >> if you assume this could be a software update, right? >> It's got all the stuff it needs for it already. >> The coonus. >> Well, well, this concludes our depressive cover. >> It's really hot in this room right now. You know, maybe that is raising our tempers a little bit. Maybe we'd feel more sympathetic. >> This was a pretty stupid one. What did Marquez What was How did you >> How did you post this in Slack when it happened? >> What? >> Oh, yeah. It was like, "Could Meta be more tonedeaf?" >> And then just posted an article that just says, "Meta wants to make glasses that are recording all the time." >> Yeah. This is not new, by the way. Meta wanted to put like that thing in your house. What was that called? That little screen that had a camera on the portal. The portal. The Facebook portal. They wanted to put that in your house years ago. They've always wanted to put cameras. >> I remember. Oh yeah. They were not allergic to cancer. >> Early into me working for you and you were like, "We just got an ad opportunity and it's the most money we've ever been offered." >> And and he sent it to me and I was like, "We can't do this." He's like, "Yeah, I know we can't do this. [laughter] It's It's Facebook camera in your house. We obviously can't do this." He's just like just crazy. >> Yeah. So, >> they've had they've had the coonus for many years. >> Listen, I >> Everyone wants a camera in your house. >> I love the Metag Glasses as a GoPro. the moment that you're using them for anything else, just take them off. >> They're a way cooler GoPro for >> It's like if you're snowboarding, sure, I want to see your first person like POV video. That's super cool. If you're surfing, if you're doing anything extreme sports, but like if you're just walking on your like daily commute to the train station, just wear regular glasses. It's fine. >> Yeah, these are not meta glasses, by the way, >> just so you know. >> Sometimes they're shaped like metagasses cuz metagasses are shaped like regular glasses and you kind of have to like >> do a double >> let people know. Yes. >> I got got by the Oakleys on the train the other day. I was like, why are those Oakleys so the metal ones? >> Yeah. And I was like cuz also like I don't know if I hadn't seen this before, but the Oakleys I saw only had a camera on one side. >> No, they usually and they had a stud on the other side. Like there was something port is that >> I was on the other side. >> The Oakley ones have it in the center from what I remember. >> No, no, the Oakley running ones. The normal Oakley ones are just like the ravens. >> Yeah. the the first Oakley ones that came out are more like a pair of glasses that just look crazy >> and kind of cool at the same time. I hate that. I kind of like them, but you're talking about the like Oakley running like pit viperesque uh from last year. >> Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't those. It was a slightly more normal pair of >> If you saw someone with those just on the subway, I I don't know if I would be worried about the camera or what this person's about to like launch out of the subway on some record run that he's going on. >> Yeah, parkour. [laughter] I heard run and his time is going to be like 14 minutes a mile. I guarantee you it's everybody in Brooklyn. They wear their like shiny rainbow glasses and their bandit running $100 shorts and they run like 14-minute miles. >> Listen, 14-minute miles is better than no minute. Don't keep running. Don't gay keep running. >> You're allowed to be bad at running and run >> and pay attention. >> I run 14 mile 14-minute miles in, you know, a heavy cotton t-shirt and my 20. That's what I'm saying. If Ellis can do it in that, you don't need those ugly glasses. >> Yeah. But it's part of getting yourself invested. You can buy fancy golf clubs and shoot 150 and no one's mad at you for getting the clubs. You're out there on the course with the rest of us. >> 150 is really good though, right? That's high. >> It's quite bad. >> It's maybe unsustainably bad. You don't want [laughter] >> But it's okay. You're on the course. >> I don't shame anyone running or >> What does What does hit 150 mean? >> Oh god. Uh in golf you play 18 holes. The object of the game is to have as few strokes as possible. So there's par three. It's like swimming >> par fours and par fives. So like a normal golf course, this is like a par 72 for the whole 18 holes. >> Does that mean you hit you hit the ball 72 times to get all 18 holes in >> for even par? Exactly. >> 150 sounds horrible. >> So 150 is pretty bad. >> So best case scenario, you shoot a 18. >> What? >> Like 18 holes in >> Oh, a hole in one on every hole. Oh yeah, >> that would be like the best score you could possibly >> allegedly. I shouldn't even say 8.3 strokes per hole. >> I say it. No, I'm not going to say >> I feel like I know what you're going >> about to call out someone for being bad at golf. >> No, it's a it's a totally unrelated political statement. >> We won't even say it on the podcast is >> speaking of political statements trivia. [laughter] >> You know what else is unsustainably bad? >> The state of the world. All right. So, we spoke about the Meta Glasses always recording just now for the last half hour of my life. But it immediately made me think of a different AI camera that was constantly recording that Google released in 2017. >> Oh, yeah. >> What was it called? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember this. >> Do you know what's funny? Super sensing would be really great for Were you paying attention? >> You remember how >> super sensing, >> Marquez? Remember how nobody was mad about the Google camera that was always recording in your house? >> No one used it. Everyone >> Yeah. Wait, why was nobody mad about that? Maybe they were >> because we were We were not. >> It was also just more like a dorky thing that no one would buy. But the meta glasses already everywhere >> and it was like cute. You were supposed to use it with your kids >> and it's only in your house. So you can't creep on people cuz it's only in your house. >> Oh, that's a big thing. It was your call to like let >> It's you getting creeped on instead of creeping on other people. >> By Google instead of creeping on other people. That's true. That's a big difference. We realize I don't know what the product is cuz I thought it was something else. >> But I also think that since then we have just been cursed with knowledge. >> We were willfully ignorant for a long period of time. >> Many more motivations now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Money. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, answers be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. [music] Support for the show comes from Shopify. Landing on a good idea for a business is basically catching lightning in a bottle. What are the odds it'll happen more than once? You have to jump on every opportunity to make it work. And the last thing you need is to get slowed down by clunky logistics. You want tools that are ready to go right out of the box. 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We're going to do show and tell. Who wants to go first? I'm bringing in my trade secrets. >> I was gonna say I brought in secret apple parts. >> Here's the blueprints for the restation [laughter] icon. Um I >> So this is just stuff we've been like enjoying recently. >> Enjoying things that you're excited about. Wait, can I read what you described it as? And I can justify what what I brought. Perfect. Yeah. >> Marcus has a backpack that he won't let any of us see what's inside. >> We have no idea what's in the bag. >> What's in the bag? >> And also, David, you said something about you brought three things. >> I have like three things. >> And I also have three things. Oh, >> you >> This is a pretty long episode already, guys. >> I'll be quick. >> I'll I'm going to go first. >> They're all related. >> Okay, you go. >> Oh my god. >> My thing is my birthday present from Adam and Alex. >> It is a VJ Edgecom rookie card. >> Whoa. >> And also, >> he is a rookie still, right? >> A VJ Edgecom rookie card. And then eight more identical VJ [laughter] Edgecom rookie cards. And I keep them on my desk. All 10 of them. >> That's cute. That's adorable. >> Is he a sixer? >> Alex bought something from That's a sixer. >> That's dedication. >> That's true dedication. He's fired. >> Listen, game recognized game. BJ Edgecomb is a baller. >> Has Alex ever heard of Joel Embiid? [laughter] >> Yeah. >> So, none of my things are going to actually one of them users or listeners might actually want to use. Um, okay. I'm going to do a couple. So, first one, fairly recently, um I decided that I was going to mod my old n uh my old new Nintendo 3DS XL. So, I did significant upgrades to it. There, funny enough, have been a lot of hardware advancements in the last um 20 years, whenever. >> As long as you don't need to buy RAM. >> I didn't have to buy RAM for this. I did buy a battery. They sell batteries now that have 3x the battery capacity of the original one, which is crazy. For the 3DSXL, the new 3DS XL, >> it was foretold. >> I have this beautiful um galaxy color. I uh I remember I sold my original DS. It was the Ocarine of Time edition for it, which I regret because now that's worth a lot of money. >> But um I homebrewed it, so now you can play practically anything on it. pretty awesome >> that you legally >> legally purchased myself >> on the Nintendo store that doesn't exist anymore. >> And uh yeah, I've just been I've been playing um a uh not a I've been playing Legend of Zelda. >> Uh I don't know. It's the one after a link. It's the 3DS one that came out after Link to the Past. >> Isn't it in Can you just pull it out of the thing and read it? >> It No, it's on the It's software. >> Yeah. Worlds. A link between worlds. I think it's Fire Emblem is the cartridge I have right now. Anyway, I've just been like, you know, on the little subway. Uh, that's been fun. So, >> yeah, that's been fun. Other things for the Subway. >> That's a good one. I think I gave Ellis or you my my 3DS or my DS, I forget. And I I kind of regret. >> I think took it. Yeah, >> it was me. [laughter] >> Okay. Other fun thing that you guys might have fun with. I bought this recently. It only cost $50. So, this is called the XTE Inc. Uh, it is an e-reader that is super super thin. >> Doesn't even have a backlight. There's a lot of problems with it, but but it is very small. This is the X4. They also make the X3. What's cool with it is that it they give you these MagSafe rings with it and you [clears throat] can stick the Mag Safe ring on the back and it is perfectly sized for the back of your phone. Oh, >> so if you have like an iPhone air or an iPhone Pro Max, the XT, the three is fits on the regular Pro, the four fits on the Pro Max. Um, yeah, it's pretty awesome. It just sticks to the back of your phone. And so then when you're on the subway, you can either play A Link Between Worlds or you can just go on, flip your phone over, and suddenly you have an e-reader. >> Can't you read on the front part of your phone? >> Shut up, Andrew. [laughter] All right, last thing really quickly. piece of software that I've been enjoying a lot recently. It is called Typora and it's writing it's writing software. And you might find you might think that's boring. You might think that's boring >> because it is. because it kind of is. But it's sort of just like very simplistic writing software that uh it has like it has support for markdown and it's got all these different headings and paragraphs and it's like it's it's got a lot more features than Google Docs and it lets you organize things better, but it's so simplistic and it's so just like there is nothing else that I found that when I'm writing with it, I'm just flying across >> the zone. I love those. When I'm on Google Docs, I get so distracted so easily. The fact that I'm in a browser with tabs is like horrible. Um, there's way too many things on Google Docs that don't work well, like image insertion is freaking horrible on Google Docs. >> Bill has that created AI in as the first like clicking insert an image and then generating the first thing >> or even just downloading images that you guys drop in the docs is the worst in Google Docs. >> Yeah. And honestly, just not having other tabs available to me so I don't get distracted at all and just just thinking about what I'm writing. I've really liked this app. It's um they have a twoe free trial and then it's like $15 once if you want to buy it outright. And to me, that's very much worth it. So, no subscription, which is really nice. Uh Typora for Mac. I really like it. So, those are my three things. >> Cool. >> That's nice. Andrew, what's your >> I have one pretty simple one, but I'm in the middle of a podcast right now that I'm really enjoying. >> We are currently recording it. So, We are in the middle of a podcast. >> No, Claire found this podcast on Reddit. It's from like 2019, >> but it's about an actor who got hired for a role in Band of Brothers and then Tom Hanks fired him after he already got hired because he saw his audition tape and said he has dead eyes. And so the entire >> Don't you want that for a Band of Brothers? That's what every a lot of people say that it's like awful World War II movie or no really good miniseries about World War II, but lots of people in World War II are generally um but >> the whole thing is just him talking to other people in the movie industry that he knows that might know Tom Hanks and trying to figure out what this comment about dead eyes means to the point where he's cuz it's 20 years ago at this point that came out in like 2000. If the last episode doesn't end with him asking Tom Hanks to his face. >> I he the I'm on episode eight out of 10. So I'm getting really close to seeing if that's the and I'm only assuming if people say this was a good podcast recommending that I'm hoping something along that lines. He's tried to get in touch with the con the the uh what's it called? Why can't I think of the screening director or the >> casting director >> casting director. Thank you. But she didn't want to talk to him and now but a lot of the people he knows know Tom Hanks. So, I'm hoping Tom Hanks gets in here somewhere so we can ask him about uh it's like four lines in one episode, but it happens to be episode five of Band of Brothers. Tom Hanks directs even though he's in it already. Um, >> can I ask a question? >> What is this podcast called? >> It's called Dead Eyes. >> Oh, okay. Say that. >> Conor Radcliffe, I believe his name is. He's been in like a bunch of small things here and there. He's pretty pretty He has like John Ham on it. There's a lot of very impressive people on it. >> You mean Jonathan Hammon? >> Yes. >> Huge Bad Buddy fan. >> Yes. Huge. But yeah, I'm enjoying it. I love these uh podcasts that are hyperfocused on something that's so trivial, but if you can make 10 episodes out of it, it's like, well, now I'm just invested. Um, so stuff like that. >> I really enjoy. Yeah. Shout out to Reply. Shout out. It's this is like cereal for something that doesn't matter at all or only matters to one person and it really affected their life 20 years ago and that's fascinating. So I'm excited to finish it. But if you need a quick podcast. >> Yeah. >> After you finish this one >> after after waveform and you subscribe and listen to our whole backlog and let it play while you're sleeping and then you can listen to dead eyes >> once you've gotten through the whole season. [laughter] >> Um what are yours? >> Mine mine. So, >> what's in the bag? >> Yeah, I brought my I brought my bag here. So, my at the beginning of the new year, I decided I wanted to have a New Year's resolution to learn a new skill and I decided that that skill would be juggling. So, >> the beginning of the year, I bought a set of three juggling balls. >> How the H has none of us known this? [laughter] >> How did I never hear about juggling at work before? Is that what every day for the past 6 months I've been juggling at the end of every day. And what I can report now is that I've gotten pretty good at juggling these exact three items. >> Okay. >> Or items that are the same size and shape. So like three small oranges. I can juggle size things. >> Uh I will I'll demo it for you. I would like >> the goal for this should be by next year at any point when I'm at my desk I can just throw something to your desk and you start >> way >> that was >> I now feel like I know nothing about it. >> That was pretty good. >> What else are you hiding from us? >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> dude. Okay. >> Good for audio listeners [clears throat] honestly. >> Audio listeners. >> Why? >> Uh I can I try? Yeah. I just thought it would be uh so Rufus can juggle. I was like it looks like fun to be able to juggle, but I also kind of like a Rubik's cube. I wanted to be able to try something that didn't have instructions. So like a Rubik's cube, it would be fun to learn how to solve a Rubik's Cube, but it's basically just learning and memorizing a set of instructions.

I wanted it to be a little bit creative. Like there's different you see different types of juggling and like do different patterns and stuff like that. Yeah, >> I think those still require instructions, but I've just been no instructions. Just like >> throwing them up in the air and figuring it out for the past couple months. >> So, >> Adam, you probably know the >> the brand. >> The the brand. >> What is the brand? >> Duncan. >> Yep. They make yo-yos. >> Really good yo-yos. >> Duncan yo-yos when we were in like fourth grade were >> What do you mean? I still have one. >> You still have a Duncan yo-yo? >> You guys are into yo-yos? >> I'm hella into yo-yos. >> You guys are into yo-yos, too. I remember so good at yo-yoing, >> dude. I could do a bunch of the I could do the >> do that too, baby. >> How did this Do you want me to >> Wait, we should start a yo-yo core. >> Yeah, >> I didn't know you guys were in the yo-yos. >> Marquez is still juggling. By the way, >> this might be the oldest thing I've ever said, but when I was younger, I remember going to the five and dime and looking for a Duncan yo-yo in my town. >> What's a What's a five and dime? >> It's like a general store. >> I've never heard of five and you might not know that stuff right there. >> There's a Dollar Tree here. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. But Five and Dime is older. >> Five and Dimes were you? Yeah. >> Like that Prince >> Were they >> were they raspberry? >> Wait. I would like to remind everyone that this was Marquez's first of three things. >> Oh, no. Sorry. These are all three things. [laughter] >> It was a punt. >> I was like, "What else have you been hiding?" >> Yeah. Sorry. That was it. That was the three things. >> Juggle Sacks. Okay. So, what is your thing, >> Adam? >> My Thank you for remembering my name. >> I couldn't remember. I [laughter] was >> I blacked out. >> It's only been a decade. >> It's 150 degrees. >> It is [laughter] 150°. >> I'm cooking in here, dude. My brain is on fire. >> Uh, mine is just an audio book that actually Andrew put me on to called Dungeon Crawler Carl. >> Oh. >> And I had I had mentioned to him a couple weeks ago how I've been seeing this book everywhere and I don't really know what it's about. Everyone's talking about it. Dungeon crawler Carl. It's like a whole series. And he was like he explained it to me in like two sentences in a way that made me instantly intrigued. And he was like, "Oh, yeah." And the audiobook was pretty good, but I stopped listening to it cuz blah blah blah blah. So, I was like, "Okay, maybe I'll just start listening to the audiobook again." And the audiobook is more than pretty good. It is amazing. It is really good. >> I just sometimes when like when my commute is too long, I find myself zoned out and then I've missed however many minutes and then it's so hard to find where I miss. But >> it's what it is to be an adult. >> Yeah. >> The reason it's everyone's talking about it is cuz they just announced a Netflix version coming out. >> Oh, maybe that's what it is. Okay. Yeah. But it's really good. Great sound effects, great direction. Uh the main actor, I forget his name. I'm terrible. But he acted his ass off. Like it was so good. >> Yeah. >> Where do you listen to it? What What app do you listen to? >> Unfortunately, it is exclusive to a Audible. >> So if you're if you're on Spotify, if you're on anything else, you have to like pretty much get >> I wish Pocketcast had ebooks. There's also like eight books. >> Yeah, there's audio books out, I believe. I don't know how many actual books there are. I'm not there yet. I'm >> Dungeon Crawler Carl. >> Dungeon crawler Carl. >> Andrew, you want to give the synopsis cuz you're the one that sold it to me. >> Sounds terrible. >> I mean, it's like this is exactly what it sounds like. It's a dungeon crawler game in book format. It's like a guy asked to enter a dungeon with random NP like >> that doesn't sound good at all. >> Bosses and things. It's I know it sounds really silly, but it's pretty well done in the way they describe everything. Like they describe like he's walking and question mark pops up and he clicks question mark to like find like instructions. The way they do it all is really >> I've read the description so many times and I was just like this sounds dumb listening to a D and D game >> basically. Yeah. It's like listening to a D and D game because I read it and I was like yeah no not for me. And then when Andrew mentioned that he had been listening to it and he was like oh he really liked it. I was like oh let me actually >> to be fair D and D is like all imagination and just imagining things in your head. So, I guess an audio book would be good father. >> This is And it's not just like you're not just listening to a book of a guy playing. It's like the world has turned into this and the only people surviving have to go into like these dungeon gates that open up and then you start dungeon crawling in the sense of like there's levels and bosses. >> Jeff Hayes, that's the actor. Jeff Hayes, incredible voice actor. Kills it. >> Okay, cool. So, that was mine. >> All right. I like this. I think we should be recommending things more often. We used to do that as an opening segment. >> Yeah, >> we did. >> It was like a piece of content or a thing you wanted. >> Oh, yeah. One thing >> we've done that >> way long ago. >> A while ago >> in the before times. Why are you guys getting your uh boards ready? What do you think is coming up? >> I have a feeling uh we might want to answer some trivia questions now. >> You have a pen? [music] >> He's not wrong. >> How do the pens keep getting relocated? Guys, what Japanese minist minimalist homegoods brand did Pete Laauo wants to be the tech industry equivalent of? Hit it >> Japanese. >> I [music] feel like this is more um what is the company the [music] like ROM the Android ROM that became uh Xiai. It feels like more like a like Xiaomi would be more of this. You know >> why? >> Well, I can't give it away. Give it away. Give it away. Give it away now. But I'll give it away later. [music] >> I'm interested. Yeah. No, I OnePlus never actually became anything close to even weird quote for 2014. >> I agree. >> All right. >> Turn it around. >> Oh, >> Marquez, you put >> the >> Is that the Japanese flag? >> Yep. >> The rising. >> It's not a bad artist ren rendering. I mean, it's not a difficult flag to draw. >> Yeah, but it's red. Give me some credit. >> He has a black marker. >> Yeah, it's >> Oh, I could have. >> It's monochrome. >> Damn it. >> You had the red marker, too. That's >> That's Cut that. [laughter] Cut that. >> All right, Andrew, you put >> uniclo. >> That's incorrect. >> But David, you put >> Muji >> and Muji is the correct answer. I've >> never even heard of Muji. >> You've never heard of >> You've never heard of Muji. >> I forgot you guys live in New Jersey. >> What is that? >> They don't have Muji in New Jersey. >> I don't know. Muji rules. >> We have that. Is it say this looks just like Uniglo? >> Yeah, kind of. >> No, but they they sell less clothes and more other stuff. >> More like home. >> My my slippers that I >> It's like World Market Uniglow. >> Yeah, but only Japan. >> No. And they make everything. They They don't sell any non Muji stuff. >> There is a Muji in New Jersey. >> Oh, >> that's what I said. Literally never wamp. Uh the slippers I have there's one in Williamsburg here. Um Muji rules. >> Muji rules. >> Uh I have a lot of their mixing bowls and I own some Muji slippers. Their stuff is really cheap and very good >> and their pens. Yeah, their stationary is really good. >> All right, so for the last question of this trivia season, are you guys ready? >> These two are I have no idea what it is. >> I actually don't. >> I thought I knew what it was. >> In 2017, Google released an AI camera. What was it called? >> I don't remember this at >> I don't remember it name, though. >> Cuz you're not a king. Dang. >> I remember what it looked like. I remember it sitting in the middle of your house and swiveling around and looking at you, but I don't remember the name. >> It swivel. >> It moved. >> It did not swivel. >> Or is this No, sorry. I'm saying two things. That's a different thing. >> But you are supposed to like put it on your mantle and just kind of leave it there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Then I'm definitely wrong. >> Yeah. Whatever happened to mantels? You never hear about people in their mantels anymore. >> Cuz we don't have homes. >> I got a great >> You got a fireplace? >> Oh, I got a mantle. >> Damn. All right. Proven wrong once again. >> Yeah. He juggles. He's got a mantle. You've got a mantle. I have a mantle. You guys have a fireplace. >> This is my house. [laughter] >> Yeah, I have a fireplace. We barely use it cuz I'm afraid it's going to set the whole house, but it looks sick. And >> probably will split lane open one. >> Fun fact, the house I grew up in had a fireplace, but no mantle. Anyway, we need to do the score because I'm hungry and we have a game show to run >> and we have to show our >> flip him and read. What do you got? >> Who wants to go first? >> That's what it was. [laughter] >> Yeah. Okay. >> Think Marquez. Think. I wrote clicks, but that wasn't it. >> That was not it. That's the communicator. >> Yeah. >> Uh Andrew, what do you read? >> I wrote solely. >> So, >> I think that's a good guess. A camera that's on all the time, >> but it was on a Pixel 4 XL. >> Yeah. And it sucked. [laughter] >> That's true. >> There's a long video. >> Tell us what it is, David. >> Okay. Google Clips. >> Correct. >> That's what it was. I was halfway there. >> I stay winning. >> With that correct answer, the score is going into trivia. David with 35, Andrew with 28, and Marquez with 32. >> Wow. >> I prefer to stay at 32. >> Adam, how old are you? >> I'm [laughter] >> none of these uh none of these scores are going to matter in the next in 90 minutes. >> We'll see. Can we call this the preseason? >> Wow. It's very sports of you. I know. >> Except it's very sports of David because he's still getting it wrong because it would be like regular season and we'd be going playoffs. Perfect. Perfectly wrong. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thank you for listening. And of course, if you made it this far into the episode, comment >> your trade secrets. >> Comment your trade secrets down below. >> Don't do that. >> Bring them. No, comment [laughter] the most important top secret trade secrets down below >> in Minecraft. [laughter] >> We will for sure not use them, but we'll think about maybe hiring you if you leave good ones. [laughter] >> Anyway, catch you guys next week in our bonus episode, which will be trivia extravaganza. See you soon. Pace Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Med podcast. The air conditioners on and we're also music by Vain Silk. [music] >> Do you guys remember when everyone thought prompt engineer was going to be like the new job everyone had? Yeah, now it's just designer.